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Reflector

You Can't Say That (Part 1)

Reflector

Longview

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.6577 Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2024

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

About a year ago, the team that makes this show (Matt Boll and me, Andy Mills) along with our dear friend Megan Phelps-Roper (who also helps with each episode of Reflector), put out the final installment of The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling.  The show was a big hit with millions of listeners, even as it split — and in some cases enraged — media critics. Our aim was to tell the story of Rowling’s two major public controversies — both the witchcraft accusations from the late 90’s and the current backlash around sex and gender — as a way to uncover deeper truths about human nature. Today, Megan again joins us to ask: Where do things stand now? For Rowling, for the debate around sex and gender, and for our society's willingness to have hard conversations in public. Here in Part 1, author and journalist Helen Lewis guides us through the latest developments in women-only sports, women-only spaces, and youth transition medicine. We explore the ways in which the United States is becoming more of an outlier, and how J.K. Rowling’s career has continued to thrive amidst the backlash against her. In Part 2, we dive into thoughts and criticism — of J.K. Rowling, of the series we made about her, and of our team itself — from three members of the trans community, each with a unique perspective. This includes two of listeners’ favorite guests from the original series: Natalie and Noah. For paid subscribers you can listen to that episode right away. To become a paid subscriber visit us at reflector.show As always we appreciate your time and attention, and would be delighted if you’d share this show and give us a rating on Apple or Spotify. If you have any feedback, story suggestions, or criticisms, feel free to shoot us an email at hello@reflector.show Thank you to our sponsors. You can visit them here to learn more: FIRE GROUND.NEWS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

All right, so the name of the show is Reflector, so you can say it, you can sing it. Give me maybe a few versions of it?

0:07.4

Yeah, absolutely.

0:10.0

Reflector.

0:11.0

That's great. Try a couple more.

0:14.0

Reflectors. I'm Andy Mills.

0:25.5

This is Reflector.

0:27.2

And today I am joined by my friend Megan Phelps Roper.

0:30.8

Hello there.

0:31.7

And together we're going to look at one of the most polarizing culture wars

0:35.5

and try and figure out what it says about the state of our

0:38.9

public debates.

0:40.3

But first, a quick word from our sponsor.

0:51.7

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0:58.0

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1:05.0

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