You Can't Always Get the World Order That You Want

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🗓️ 26 January 2017

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Just an hour before Donald Trump was sworn in as the 45th President of the United States, Ryan Evans sat down with Richard Haass in New York at the Council on Foreign Relations. Given the momentous changes that seem to be underway, the topic under discussion was fitting: world order. Richard's new book - A World in Disarray: American Foreign Policy and the Crisis of the Old Order - seeks to explain the origins of the current world order, the shifts currently underway, and how the United States should seek to shape the next world order. Ryan and Richard also discussed negotiating approaches to Russia and China and early decisions made by the Trump team. Richard, who served in four presidential administrations, ends by giving career and life advice to people leaving the Obama administration and others who thought they would be serving in a Clinton administration.

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0:00.0	You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on Strategy, Defense and Foreign Affairs.
0:11.6	My name is Ryan Evans.
0:12.6	I'm the editor-in-chief of War on the Rocks.
0:14.4	In this episode I sat down with Richard Haas, the President of the Council on Foreign Relations
0:18.3	up in New York.
0:19.8	We spoke about a world in disarray, American foreign policy in the crisis of the old
0:23.8	order, that's Richard's new book. We also talked about some of the greatest
0:27.1	foreign policy debates of our time, as well as what it's like to leave a
0:30.3	presidential administration.
0:42.0	Thanks so much for taking the time. Thanks so much for taking the time. So I was reading your book on the train and it's actually
0:49.2	really interesting the way you'd lay out the sort of different kinds of world orders that were in some ways
0:54.3	competing with each other up through the end of the Cold War and even after.
0:58.2	It's a different take than most scholars of foreign policy.
1:01.4	Could you dig into that a little bit?
1:03.0	Yeah, this book grew out of in some ways what I was working on more than 40 years ago as a graduate student.
1:10.0	Indeed, one of the things I did in this book, I was researching it and writing it was go back and reread.
1:16.0	Some of the works of Head Lee Bull, who had a big influence on the Henry Kissinger, and others.
1:23.0	And to think about what was consistent about world order,
1:27.0	and what was also consistent or at least frequent in world disorder.
1:33.0	And a big part of order is obviously things like
1:38.0	legitimacy, shared sense of what the rules ought to be,
1:42.0	balance of power, so those who didn't much like the rules
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