From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell.

My guest who is not nearly as combative as he was the last time he was here,

has enjoyed some success since he was last year for the film, the favorite. His newest film as director is Borgonio, of course, I'm talking to your August Lantos. It's a pleasure to have you back. I'm not going to mention the NBA at all until they were done. But what I will say to you is this, in this film especially, I just found myself really thinking about the sounds.

Like there's a kind of a bookend with the sound of bees buzzing.

Yeah.

Which is kind of beautiful and ominous at both the beginning and the end of the film.

And then nature.

Yes.

Like there's a long duration of nature at the end credits, which a friend of mine said it's the best part of the movie.

Which, you know, I understand what he's talking about. And also gives people hope, in a way, nature,

and the possibility of a new beginning or survival through that in a way.

I think a lot of times your films are kind of comedy about hope,

just because at some

point there's the film's all about transformation and the fear of transformation, but then

what happens after that?

Because so often movies deal with that fear, and then that's kind of the end of the movie.

But yours are along with the fear of the transformation the moment of transformation and then

what that transformation does how people live with that afterwards yeah i think it's uh you know

trying to question you know structures societal structures rules in, or whatever that may be. And I think that's

probably where transformation comes because you're like you're used to, people are used to

adopt certain behaviors without thinking about it too much or what led them to have those behaviors.

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