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(Yet Another) Emergency Pod: Sam Altman Is Back

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The New York Times

Technology

4.55.2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2023

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

In yet another head-spinning twist at OpenAI, Sam Altman was reinstated as the company’s chief executive on Tuesday night, a mere five days after the OpenAI board had fired him. The board will be overhauled and a new set of directors, including Bret Taylor and Lawrence Summers, will join. Today, we discuss how Altman returned to the top seat — and whether the OpenAI news will ever slow down.

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0:00.0

Casey, where are you right now?

0:02.0

Okay, first of all, you have to stop calling me, Kevin.

0:04.0

I'm trying to be on vacation over here.

0:06.0

I'm literally in the middle of Gate E8 at San Francisco International Airport.

0:11.0

Like, is it loud there there how are you recording this? It's it's surprisingly

0:16.3

quiet but only because my flight just got canceled. No what happened? Well the first step one was they were waiting on some paperwork. Step two was they opened up some sort of compartment and they said that they needed to replace a broken latch and then during that process they announced that something was cracked and they were taking the airplane out of service.

0:35.0

So, the best option for us was to hop on and chat while we wait for our next plane to arrive. And that's how my Thanksgiving

0:44.4

I'm so sorry that happens to you.

0:45.8

Well, how's your holiday going so far?

0:47.8

Well, I would say it's been very relaxing.

0:51.2

I've just been spending, you know, quiet afternoons, you know, reading books and

0:56.4

catching up on sleep. No, of course I have been in a frenzy of reporting and trying to figure out what the heck is going on behind all this drama.

1:05.7

This is a sort of triumphal return of Sam Waltman and some open AI employees have been saying

1:10.8

things like we are so back.

1:12.8

Well, before we get into the aftermath, Kevin,

1:16.5

we should probably just quickly tell folks who may not have heard

1:20.0

what happened since last we came to them

1:22.3

in an emergency podcast just hours ago.

1:25.8

I feel like this week has just been one never ending emergency podcast.

1:30.0

I feel like we have really not stopped recording since Friday.

1:33.5

But basically, here's the deal.

1:35.8

Late Tuesday, Open AI announced that Sam Altman was being brought back

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