Hi Paul. Hi Ardly. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm so good. It's so great to have you on Small Town Dicks. Oh I am so happy to be here. So we want to know how did we persuade you to join us here on Small Town Dicks. Oh it was it was a lot of arm twisting. Not the truth.

Well what has always impressed me about Small Town Dicks is the professionalism. First you have your authenticity. You know Dan and Dave, myself we come out of real crime. We've had real experiences. And so the audience, the listeners are getting from Small Town Dicks. What actually happens out there. Not something that's been glamorized. But also you guys don't exploit the cases. You're empathetic to the victims. And this is what I'm all about. And I know that people who know me from

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Hey Small Town Fam, it's your ugly. How are you guys? Well, it's Thanksgiving here in the United States. And I want to tell you all how genuinely great it is.

We couldn't ask for anything more. You guys are the best. And thank you. This week we have another mini hiatus. But before you lose your minds, this hiatus is only a week long. And then we're back with a brand new episode. So if you want to join us on the show, please subscribe to our channel.

So if you recall during our last mini hiatus, you got to hear what Dan and Dave's favorite episodes from our catalog are. And now it's my turn. And I just want to go on the record and say, what's your favorite episode? It's the worst question ever. It's the worst. I don't know how you're supposed to choose. I get this question in every interview I do about the Simpsons. And now here it is again.

So as I was listening to our back catalog, I narrowed it down to three contenders. Working backwards, we'll start with number three. I chose crime and punishment from season five. This is a conversation we had with a man named Trevor Wallraven who was tried and convicted of killing someone when he was 14 years old. Trevor did 17 years of his 25 year sentence. And then he was released.

I remember before we sat down to do this interview, I was a little nervous about sitting across from a person who admits to executing an innocent man. But I have to say Trevor was likable, deeply remorseful and candid with us. It was not at all what I expected.

But now two years later, when I listen to this episode, I find myself listening with less trust to be perfectly honest, which has nothing to do with Trevor. And I believe everything to do with my having been steeped in true crime stories like this one 24 seven for the last two years.

There's a consequence for that. And in some ways, it's made listening to this episode again, even more complicated now than it was when we first sat down and recorded it. Here's a sound bite.

Where'd the gun go? It's just I don't know where it went.

Did you throw it away? So when I got home, I'm not 100% where I put it. I don't know if I put it back in a cabinet. I don't know like I threw the keys at one point away somewhere. And I don't remember the car keys.

Yes, but that was when I came back. So I actually don't know what happened to the gun. It was never found. Oh, but I don't I don't know what happened to it.

Second on my list is an episode also from season five called Mother's Day where we had Dan and Dave's mom on the podcast to talk about what it's like to be the mother of two detectives.

I love this episode for the playful banter between Dan and Dave and their mom. It was also really fun and interesting to see Dan and Dave two men. I love and respect deeply through someone else's eyes.

Someone who knows them better than anyone else I think. And every time I listen to this episode, I'm humbled by the vulnerability of Dan, Dave and their mother. Here's a listen.

I had an experience with them that I was with Dan and they needed to call Dave when David was a detective and Dan wasn't chat and a baby had died.

And that night is when I realized that my sons had grown up that they were men and it was really emotional for me. I watched it to have interact when no one was around.

And I was standing back and they were discussing the pictures and they were waiting to get okay to go inside the apartment.

And I was watching them. I was about five feet away from them and I was listening to them interact and it was like wow these boys are men. They're not my babies anymore. They're grown men.

And finally finally my first choice and I only choose because my partners in crime Gary are producer and Ben are book cookers and cat Wrangler are holding my feet to the fire and making me choose. Big fat eye roll. Though I do love this episode.

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