Hi Paul. Hi Ardly. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm so good. It's so great to have you on Small Town Dicks. Oh I am so happy to be here. So we want to know how did we persuade you to join us here on Small Town Dicks. Oh it was it was a lot of arm twisting. Not the truth.

Well what has always impressed me about Small Town Dicks is the professionalism. First you have your authenticity. You know Dan and Dave, myself we come out of real crime. We've had real experiences. And so the audience, the listeners are getting from Small Town Dicks. What actually happens out there. Not something that's been glamorized. But also you guys don't exploit the cases. You're empathetic to the victims. And this is what I'm all about. And I know that people who know me from

other projects, they will truly see that when they start listening to Small Town Dicks. That's an incredible endorsement. Dan and Dave tell the fine people about some Patreon. Where Paul Holes also joins us on quite a few nuggety nuggets. For just five bucks a month you'll have access to an assortment of bonus episodes, outtakes, listener questions, special series.

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Hey Small Town Fam, it's yardly. How are you guys? I hope you're all wonderfully well. Maybe you're getting ready for Thanksgiving next weekend. That's here in the United States.

Today we have the enormous pleasure of catching up with the one and only Paul Holes. Paul tells us about two cold cases that are never far from his mind and that he never gives up hope of solving.

These two cases actually circle back to another case he brought us in season five. A case about a young teen named Elaine Davis. We called that episode buried.

And if you want to take a deep dive into the details of that case, it's definitely worth a relic. Paul also talks in depth today about the serial killer Phil Hughes.

We first heard about Paul's investigation of Phil in an episode from season seven called then there were three also totally worth a relic. Now that you're all caught up, please settle in for never forget.

Hi, I'm yardly. This is Detective Dan. Hey there. And his identical twin brother, Detective Dave. Hello. And this is Small Town Dicks.

You'll hear detectives from small towns around the world discuss their most memorable cases. We cover the intimate details of what went wrong and what went right.

As these dedicated men and women search for justice and crack the case names and certain details have been changed to protect the privacy of the victims and their families.

So please join us in maintaining their anonymity out of respect for what they've been through. Thank you.

Today on Small Town Dicks, we have the usual suspects. We have Detective Dave. I never know when she's going to go with me first. Hello, yardly. Hello, David. It's so good to have you. It's good to be here. And we have Detective Dan. Hello. Hello. Nice to see you.

Great to be here. Thank you. And Small Town FAM. On such a good day. We're so happy to welcome back. One of our all-time favorites, the Juggernaut of Truth Grime, the one and only Paul.

Juggernaut. How's it going? So good to have you sitting across the table. Oh, it's awesome. It's been too long. It's been too long.

Yeah. So Paul, really, his reputation precedes him. There's not much of an introduction I can give. I'm just going to hand it over to you.

I'm going to hand it over to me. I'll hand it all over to you. Oh, jeez. Well, you know, I guess, you know, your listeners are probably listening because they want to hear a little bit about true crime.

They probably do. Since the pandemic, we haven't been able to see each other. And so now finally, you know, it'll be in the same room.

It really is wonderful. You have some really big things happening. I know you have a book coming out, which I'm super excited for.

I do have a book coming out. And would you say it to biography? It's memoirs. Yes. Oh, fabulous.

When I first retired and I thought, okay, you know, I've got this big golden state killer case. I thought, well, that's what I need to write about.

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