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The Lawfare Podcast

Yascha Mounk on Populism and Democracy

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🗓️ 10 March 2018

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Yascha Mounk about his new book: 'The People vs. Democracy: Why Our Freedom Is in Danger and How to Save It."

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:32.6

Political scientists assume that democracy is safe when most people think it's functioning

0:39.8

relatively well and when they have a deep commitment to the democratic system and when

0:44.6

politicians who violate some of the most basic rules and norms of democracy don't have

0:48.7

a real, I don't have any real power and have any real public support.

0:53.3

And that just didn't seem to me to be true anymore.

0:55.9

You saw for many decades across North American, Western Europe falling ways of political

1:00.3

participation, deep disenchantment with particular governments, but you also saw something

1:07.2

moving that.

1:08.2

So when a colleague and I were about to first started to look at how people actually

1:11.1

feel about democracy, a lot of people said, you know what, I don't give a lot of importance

1:16.7

living in democracy.

1:17.7

I'm actually quite open to certain or for a ton of terms to democracy and I describe all

1:21.4

of those figures in the book, but what was most worrying for me was that some of these

1:27.0

figures were actually born out in a more concrete way and voting behavior.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast March 10, 2018.

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Yasha Monk is a lecturer on government at Harvard University and a senior fellow in the

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Political Reform Program at New America.

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