Jeh Johnson on Protecting the Cyber Battlespace

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🗓️ 14 March 2018

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Last week, former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson addressed the Boston Conference on Cybersecurity in a speech titled "Cyberspace is the New Battlespace." The next day, Secretary Johnson sat down with Harvard Law professor and Lawfare co-founder Jack Goldsmith to discuss the themes his speech reflected on. They discussed the hacking and exfiltration of data, the vulnerabilities of the U.S. electoral infrastructure to cyberattacks, and the problem of fake news and disinformation—and what we might do to stem it.

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:32.6	There's no reason to assume that only a nation state, only the Russians, might
0:39.0	attempt to mess around with this. The reality is that as long as we have an
0:45.6	electoral college and as long as national elections, given the electoral college
0:51.1	are decided in a few key precincts in a few swing states, the result dances on
0:57.2	ahead of a pin. And as I pointed out yesterday, if the writers of the show
1:02.4	house of cards have figured that out and they did last season, then others can
1:06.9	do the same. So it would not be that hard and we're not just talking about
1:10.2	cyber attacks now to do something to suppress voter turnout in key precincts and
1:17.7	key states. So do you think we're prepared?
1:20.1	No, not at the moment. Do you think we will be by November?
1:24.1	I hope so. I think this has to be a priority and part of the responsibility for
1:30.8	state and local election officials with the help hopefully at the federal level.
1:35.9	I'm Matthew Khan and you're listening to the LawFair podcast March 13, 2018.
1:42.7	Last week, former Secretary of Homeland Security, Jay Johnson, addressed the Boston
1:48.5	conference on cybersecurity in a speech titled, cyber space is the new
1:53.5	battle space. The next day, Secretary Johnson sat down with Harvard Law
1:58.4	Professor and LawFair co-founder Jack Goldsmith to discuss the themes his
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