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Hello and welcome to the Penguin podcast where we talk to writers about writing.

I'm Nihal Arthur Na, and today I'm speaking to

Janis Varofakis about his book, techno feudalism, what killed capitalism. Janis is of course the

former finance minister of Greece and co-founder of the international grassroots movement DM25,

as well as a professor of economics at the University of Athens.

This has been called his boldest and most far-reaching book yet, and in it he argues that capitalism

is dead and a new economic era has begun. The Times and The Guardian, both of it pegged as one of

the publishing highlights of 2023.

And Irvin Welsh, no less, called it a dark, scary, exciting song of our age.

I definitely think it's a must read.

And Janice, I'm thrilled to get to talk to you about it today.

Welcome to the Penguin Podcast.

Thank you for having me.

What effect did it have on you as a writer,

the fact that as you wrote it, you thought of your father sitting in front of you?

I'm an economist, which means that I'm handicapped by a language designed to keep everyone

in the dark about things that they know, because that's

what we do as economists. We phrase in a language that nobody understands everything that people

do comprehend or are capable of comprehending. So in order to escape my economic predisposition,

it's always important to address

books that I am writing

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