You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcasts.

Hi, Paul.

Hi, Bob. Good to see you.

Good to see you. I'm Paul. Hi, Bob. Good to see you. Good to see you. I'm Paul Bloom, professor of psychology at University of Toronto and Yale University.

And you are Bob Wright, publisher of the Non-Zero Newsletter, and this is a non-zero There. That's true. And you, in addition to being a

famous psychologist and writer or publisher of the, did you say this, your publisher of the

falsely modest newsletter of Small Potatoes? Did you remember to say that? I did not remember

to say that. You know, Paul, I have a vision I'd like to share with you.

I'm all theirs.

So, you know, as I get older, in some respects, my hopes about what legacy I might leave this planet are shrinking, becoming more modest.

Like, I would say the chances that I would bring salvation to all of humankind.

I would say now are under 30%.

But there's something I still hope to accomplish.

And you know what that is?

How it promotes small videos?

It's related to that.

I hope to create a world in which, and tell me if this is too idealistic, a world in which everyone who thinks of the newsletter, small potatoes, thinks of the phrase falsely modest, much as in the 1980s when you were a wee lad, thanks to the editors of spy magazine, many, many New Yorkers could not think of Donald Trump

without thinking of the phrase short-fingered vulgarian because every time they wrote about Trump,

the first reference, Donald Trump was preceded by the phrase short-fingered vulgarian.

And I would like to do something similar for your newsletter.

I agree.

I would appreciate that.

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