You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hi, Bob.

How are you doing?

Good. How are you? Happy New Year.

I can't complain. Happy New Year to you.

You know, this is going to be a pretty tumultuous year.

We've got, you know, the U.S. elections.

We've got two billion people coming up in democracy elections.

We've got Ukraine, Gaza, the world.

It's not looking altogether, reassuring if you ask me.

Then again, and this is one thing we will talk about, I am possibly a more anxious and

pessimistic person than you are.

I think that's probably generally true, although the diversity of, you know, cognitive diversity,

as you know, and advocate is a good thing relative to the adaptation of humanity, societies,

groups, communities. So, yes, I think I am generally speaking more optimistic, although I think

all rational people coming into this year are like, ooh, this is going to be a rough one.

Things aren't going to get less weird, possibly. So let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright,

publisher, the non-zero newsletter. This is the non-zero podcast. You're Reid Hoffman.

I can spend quite a bit of time introducing you. Let me start with more recent stuff.

Your author of the book Impromptu about AI, you are co-founder

of inflection AI, which makes a bot called Pi, which we'll talk about, because it's very relevant

to your conception of how AI can be a good thing. You were a co-founder of OpenAI, which everyone has heard of by now. Well, not co-founder, but I was part of the team. I think the co-founders are a smaller group, but yes. Okay, so that's actually a technical term. I mean, you were one of the original people who put money in, weren't you? Yes, that's correct. Okay. And help the founding team and the founders do it.

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