Writing with Ghosts: These Walls Still Talk, Part Two | Grave Talks CLASSIC
The Grave Talks | Haunted, Paranormal & Supernatural
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🗓️ 27 April 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE! PART TWO
Some places don’t need a story written about them—they already have one.
Missouri State Penitentiary is one of those places. With a long history and a reputation for lingering activity, it’s a location that has drawn investigators, storytellers, and the curious for years.
Author Brian Paone took a different approach.
Instead of visiting, he stayed—spending eight weeks inside the prison, writing at night, surrounded by the same environment that inspired his novel These Walls Still Talk. A story about a woman returning to confront something that has followed her for years… set in a place where many believe the past never truly left.
Blending real locations with fiction, the experience raises an interesting question: when you create a story inside a place already filled with its own history, where does the line begin to blur?
Because in a setting like this, it’s not always clear what’s being imagined… and what might already be there.
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| 0:00.0 | Today on the Grave Talks, part two of writing with ghosts. |
| 0:05.1 | These walls still talk. |
| 0:07.0 | A conversation with author Brian Payone. |
| 0:10.6 | When I started reading the book and you were talking about the get haunted investigation, |
| 0:16.7 | I was like, well, that's a real company. |
| 0:20.0 | That's really interesting to me. And then as I'm reading the well, that's a real company. That's really interesting to me. |
| 0:21.9 | And then as I'm reading the book, all of the things that you mentioned, |
| 0:27.1 | because I have done a deep dive into the penitentiary, |
| 0:30.1 | and we did an episode a couple years ago, |
| 0:32.9 | what you're saying in the book is accurate. |
| 0:35.9 | And so I really appreciated that because you really do feel |
| 0:39.4 | like this is what the paranormal investigation at the Missouri State Penitentiary would be like. |
| 0:48.8 | Right. And then some. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing that I did too, if you, in the Kindle version, I'm sure it's in the Kindle version, but in the paperback, it absolutely is. But before page one, before chapter one, is a map of MSP. And the, in the buildings are numbered. So as you're reading, you can flip back and you know where the characters are at |
| 1:11.5 | that point in the book. And something that I did in Reese, she's one of the tour guides at MSP. |
| 1:18.6 | When she read the book, one of her first things she texted me and she thanked me for |
| 1:25.5 | keeping MSP looking exactly like it does in real life. I didn't add or take |
| 1:32.8 | away anything from it. I didn't, I didn't like add a scary, you know, um, hole somewhere that |
| 1:40.9 | doesn't really exist. I didn't, I didn't add a staircase, uh, somewhere that doesn't exist. I didn't, I didn't take exist. I didn't add a staircase somewhere that doesn't exist. |
| 1:46.3 | I didn't take away a floor because it didn't work for the plot. |
| 1:50.9 | I, you know, Reese was very impressed with the fact that it's described exactly how it exists |
| 2:00.1 | in real life. |
| 2:01.0 | Everything. And Reese is in the book. You have her exists in real life. Everything. |
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