This is simple. I'm Tish Oxen Rider.

Hey friends, in this episode I'm chatting with my friend Andrea Debbink, co-host of this show and regular contributor

and managing editor for The Art of Simple.

As always in this episode, we're springboarding off what we wrote about this week.

Andrea talks about life lessons she's learned about

writing and the writing process. So even if you're not a writer or even in a sort of

work where you create something, you will glean some wisdom here. So don't think this isn't for you if you're not

the writing sort you'll be surprised and then because this week I wrote

about podcasts I'm currently into in this chat I'm talking about kind of the

opposite the beauty and necessity of silence,

why we all need it more than ever in our information overloaded culture and how the science backs

me up on this.

And then in the third segment, Stephanie Langford and I

answer another one of your travel questions.

This one's a fun one, actually.

So let's get right into it.

Here's Andrea and me talking about life lessons learned from the writing life and why every one of us needs to carve out intentional silence in our lives. All right, Andrea, I cannot wait to hear from you based on your post this week about

writing lessons. Tell us a little bit about what inspired this thought of yours?

Yeah, well actually what inspired my post this week is the transition that I've been making myself right now in my professional work.

I've recently had kind of a full circle moment in my life

because I just left my full-time job as an editor at American Girl where I was for about the past nine years and I actually took a similar step about 10 years ago

where I had left my corporate job and decided to freelance full-time, freelance writing specifically, and that was pretty disastrous a decade ago

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