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Hello creatives. I'm Joanna Penn. And this is episode number 513 of the podcast. And it is Sunday

the 25th of October 2020 as I record this and yes

I'm back from my six day pilgrimage I made it more of that in the personal section so today I'm

talking to Tim wagner about writing horror appropriate in Halloween week Tim has a fantastic new book out, writing in the dark,

on everything you need to know about writing in the genre. But of course, writing craft

tips are always useful, whatever genre you write in. So we talk about exploring the darkness

within ourselves, how to elevate horror writing to a literary level and award-winning level and how to be original

while still respecting the tropes of the genre. Now, Tim is prolific and multi-award

winning and also writes within TV and film worlds. He's also a professor of creative writing,

so he really knows his stuff. And so that is coming up.

So lots in publishing news today.

Bookwire released a report on listen and read,

a report about key audience behaviour in the age of e-books,

audiobooks and podcasts,

as reported by publishing perspectives and presented at the Frankfurt Book Fair.

So the upshot of this report, it's an interesting report.

It all supports all the things I've been saying for years,

but it's great to see some actual data because obviously I mainly just talk from my own opinion.

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