Psychiatric disorders don't always look the way they are spelled out in the DSM.

Today, we hear from clinicians who have lived with psychiatric disorders on how to sharpen

our interviewing skills.

Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

I'm Chris Agen, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatte Psychiatry Report.

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

There are people who have only looked at the map or quote-unquote read the books,

but I'm like, I've actually traveled the territory

and been through some of those, you know, deep, dark places that I feel like I just have a

different perspective. In the mid-1980s, Kay Redfield-Jamesson gathered all the courage she could

muster to tell her department chair that she had manic depressive illness.

The place was John Hopkins University, where Dr. Jameson worked as a psychologist in the psychiatry department.

The chair, Paul McHugh, did not respond as she expected.

Kay, dear, I know you have manic depressive illness.

He paused and then laughed.

If we got rid of all the manic depressive on the medical school faculty,

not only would we have much smaller faculty,

it would be a far more boring one.

Dr. Jameson later came out to the world through her 1995 bestseller,

an unquiet mind. Her brave steps were followed by Steve Hayes, who developed acceptance

and commitment therapy in part to treat his own panic disorder, and Marsha Linehan, who

disclosed her own history of borderline personality

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