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Would Democrats Live to Regret Court Packing?

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🗓️ 21 July 2023

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Whatever you think of recent, watershed Supreme Court opinions, it’s indisputable that the court’s six Republican appointees are deeply out of step with the will of the public—not to mention the entire institution was constituted without public consent. But should anything be done about it? The Court’s architects think everything is wonderful and will claim any criticism of the justices represents some kind of subversive attack. But even good-faith critics can’t agree on an answer. Some influential liberals, like Joe Biden, think the answer is nothing. At least not now. Others think the answer is to pass a law expanding the court and fill the vacancies with liberals, so its balance reflects what it should have been all along. And between those two poles, there are a number of ideas for reforming the court to better insulate it from political ideology. Host Brian Beutler moderates a debate over which—if any—of these ideas is best, and how to go about enacting them given that the current state of the court suits Republicans just fine. Joining him are Atlantic staff writer Adam Serwer, whose criticisms of the court have put the justices themselves on the defensive, and Lawfare editor Benjamin Wittes, who has warned Biden’s commission on the Supreme Court against outright court packing.

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0:00.0

Hello, and welcome positively dreadful with me, your host, Brian Boiler.

0:22.6

If you socialize in liberal circles or progressive circles with people who are politically active

0:28.2

on the center left, you've probably noticed this in the past few years. Fourth of July rolls round

0:34.7

and you spend your Independence Day holiday grousing about whichever rights or benefits the Supreme

0:41.3

Court's conservative majority has just curtailed or eliminated. Last year it was the right to abortion,

0:48.3

this year the right of sexual minorities to be called into the law. The Court also effectively

0:53.9

abolished affirmative action and we could recite a litany of decisions over many years to illustrate

1:00.0

that it's on a kind of ideological rampage. I also think that case by case we could stress test

1:06.6

the logic of some of its six three or five four opinions and the open-minded people would agree

1:14.0

that in many instances the Republican appointed justices are exercising power, sometimes even

1:20.4

partisan power rather than pure judgment. But I don't think that would be very productive.

1:26.4

At the end of the day a Supreme Court opinion is kind of like a hot take that has the force of law.

1:33.0

It isn't really falsifiable and the question of whether it's well-reasoned or faithful to the law

1:38.5

and constitution and precedent is fairly subjective. What's beyond dispute I think isn't the merits of

1:46.2

any particular decision but that many of them are deeply out of step with the will of the public

1:51.2

today and imposed by a court that was constituted without the consent of the public. And that raises

1:58.9

an obvious question. What if anything should be done about it? Naturally opinions on that question

2:04.0

differ. The Court's architects think everything is wonderful and will claim that simple reporting

2:09.0

about the justices or any criticism of them represents some kind of subversive attack.

2:15.2

But even good faith interlocutors can't agree on an answer.

2:19.9

Some influential liberals like Joe Biden think the answer is for now at least to do nothing.

2:26.6

Others think the answer is to pass a law expanding the number of seats on the Supreme Court

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