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🗓️ 14 July 2023

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

President Biden cut a deal with House Speaker McCarthy to increase the national debt limit. Or, more accurately, he defused the Republican threat to default on the debt and tank the economy if Democrats don’t accede to their policy demands––at least for the next few years. Many pundits have said Biden “won” the debt-limit fight, that he didn’t concede any more than he would’ve during the regular government-funding process, and that he achieved some semblance of bipartisanship. But that stands in stark contrast to President Obama’s approach; after House Republicans extorted much bigger concessions from him in 2011, Obama said it was a mistake to negotiate in the first place, and refused to do so again. Republicans talked a big game, puffed their chests, but ultimately backed down from future standoffs. Which approach is right? Those who argue Biden out-negotiated McCarthy, and thus “won”? Or those who say Biden’s decision to negotiate in the first place re-establishes a terrible precedent and thus precludes any claim to victory? Host Brian Beutler moderates a new, debate-style format for the show. Jordan Weissmann, Washington editor of Semafor, defends Biden’s approach, while David Dayen, executive editor of the American Prospect, argues this new precedent won’t age well.

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0:00.0

Hello, and welcome to Positively Dreadful with me, your host, Brian Boiler.

0:22.1

We're going to do something a little different this week, apart a bit from the typical one-on-one

0:27.2

conversation format we usually have, and stage something a little more like an argument.

0:33.8

So a few weeks ago, you probably remember President Biden cut a deal with Kevin McCarthy,

0:38.6

the House Speaker, to increase the national debt limit. Or to put it in more elucidating

0:43.9

terms, the deal diffused for the next couple years, the Republican Party threat to default

0:49.8

on the national debt, tank the national and possibly international economies, unless

0:54.4

Democrats give in to certain Republican policy demands. For the last 12 years, we've

0:59.9

called those concessions ransoms, because the demand is highly extortionate, cough up the

1:06.8

dough, or the economy gets it, and because, after the first time Republicans tried this,

1:12.6

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the debt limit, quote, a hostage-worth

1:17.4

ransoming. Okay, so they cut a deal. We did not default on our debt. The economy continues

1:24.1

to perform quite well, in fact. And with the crisis in the rear view, a consensus wisdom

1:30.0

has congealed in national politics that Biden essentially won the debt limit fight. Part

1:37.7

of it was that the White House mounted an unusually aggressive spin campaign to rest the

1:42.9

national discourse away from the idea that he'd paid Republicans these ransoms, and

1:48.2

Senate Moron, the idea that he'd once again proved that bipartisanship could work. Another

1:53.3

part of it was that the most right-wing House Republicans were just ripshit mad that McCarthy

1:59.5

didn't hold out for more concessions. Mostly, though, I think it was that many liberals

2:05.3

were basically relieved that Biden got Republicans to increase the debt limit without surrendering

2:11.2

too much in the way of policy. The conceit that held the liberal coalition together was that

2:17.8

the deal Biden agreed to was basically no different than the one he would have had to negotiate

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