Welcome to the Mark Devine show. I'm your host Mark Devine.

Thanks so much for joining me today. Super excited that you hear.

On this show, I explore what it means to be fearless

through the lens of some of the most inspirational,

resilient, and creative leaders.

I love speaking to philosophers and psychedelic researchers and top

CEOs and entrepreneurs and Navy SEALs turned author like my guest today

Brandon Webb and his co-author John David Mann. Brandon is a combat

decorated Navy SEAL former head instructor for the SEAL sniper school and

John David Mann is a co-author of more than 30 books, nine New York Times and national bestsellers.

So Webb and Mann have been writing together for over a decade since their first book called

Red Circle and now they're working on book three of their chief Finn series called Blind Fear, which is just released.

Superstrict to have you here, Brandon Witt and John David Mann.

I'd love to kind of get a brief like bio background.

You know, I know folks who've read your books have that access, but you know most of my show

may not, you know, have familiarity show may not you know have familiarity so we'll

start with you Brandon and you know I knew you were back in the teams or actually I

don't think we met until after but I know a little bit about you back

why don't you give us a brief bio and kind of like what inspired you get in the team.

It's kind of like a summary of the Red Circle, your book.

So I think like many, many guys that migrate to the teams,

we all come from these crazy backgrounds and life stories.

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