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Coming up on the Mark Devine show, I never thought my stepfather could kill me.

I mean I knew he could physically beat me to death, but he could never kill me and it would frustrate him into more beatings and more beatings

because I would never quit. I would never surrender. But that never quit and never surrender

was now I know what it was. was that light inside of me that was you

know I'm here for a purpose you can't beat me you can go me but you'll never

beat me. We. Welcome to the Mark Devine show.

This is your host Mark Devine.

I'm super stoked to have you here.

I appreciate it.

Don't take it lightly.

I love to talk from folks from all walks of life on this show,

martial arts grandmasters, high-powered CEOs, stoic philosophers, and veterans who are on

the leading edge of helping people heal from post-traumatic stress and overcome suicidal

tendencies.

So today we're going to talk to DePaul Fleming, who's a retired disabled US Navy veteran.

He's a life coach and he's an author.

His book 2,442 Steps to Crazy and a follow-on, which he calls the Crazy Series,

is a story about personal transformation and overcoming childhood abuse and trauma at the hands of a tyrannical family member.

Deep Paul Fleming's mission now is to advocate for veterans and help them heal from trauma, post-traumatic stress and that childhood abuse.

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