Hello and welcome to juicy crimes. Well, I have a real juicy one for you today, return guest and podcaster and author Andrea Dunlop. Welcome back to now juicy crimes Crimes. Thank you, Heather. It's such a,

it's such a pleasure to be a return guest. I feel very special. You have a great podcast about a very

intriguing subject of Munchausen's with mostly mothers. And it's called,

Nobody should believe me,

based on your own experience with your sister.

You've had now several different seasons

that cover different stories,

and you reached out and was like,

I got a doozy one for you, Heather.

And so this is season six.

So let's get into it.

What is this?

Before we get to the latest one, actually, I just want to talk to you.

Briefly, what are your feelings about the Netflix doc that has just got everyone talking in the last few weeks, which is unknown number or unknown caller, the high school

catfish story about the worst cyberbullying mother in the world, also inspired to do a lifetime

movie with Lisa Rennah, which possibly by the time this airs, I will have watched it because

people are like, Heather, you need to watch it now that the doc is out.

But what is your, what was your thoughts when you heard about it five years ago?

Because I know I covered it.

What do you think about a mother that does that to her child?

Yeah, I mean, so I had heard briefly about the story when it broke. And then I,

the week that the documentary came out, unknown number, I have probably never gotten so many

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