This is the BBC World Service.

I am Sana Safi and welcome to World of Wisdom,

where we explore some of the personal issues that life turns out.

Selur Cleveness and Bybe Worldament.

That was the advice of the 13th century poet Rumi.

He's much loved in the Islamic world, unwider.

And that piece of advice has been going around my head

since Rebecca wrote to us at BBC World of Wisdom.

She had an interesting question about what to do with her life

now that she's reaching an older age.

But why would you give up knowledge that you have built up

over a lifetime?

Well, I think you will hear an answer to that

in this conversation she had with our new advisor,

the Imam Jamal Rahman.

Jamal is a surface spiritual teacher,

an author originally from Bangladesh.

Now leading an end-to-faith community in Seattle, USA.

This is a shortened version of the conversation he had with Rebecca.

I am 69 years old, and I wonder how I should live

the last years of my life.

I was planning to retire at the end of 2020,

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