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So, my name is Tim, I'm an alcoholic, I don't speak for AA, you need to know that this is going

to be a very personal view. I may change my mind at a later point in time, so this is just how

things appear to me today. I've gone back on almost everything I've thought at some point,

so I'll probably go back on this, but this is how things appear to me.

So I can keep an eye on the other microphones that we see helpful thanks, Marister.

So, this is called the games we play with sponsors. Now, what I'm going to be talking about

this evening is it's such a sensitive topic, frankly. It's not talked about in meetings at all

because it's so sensitive, although if you've got a sponsor and you have sponsors of your own,

as soon as you get sponsors of your own, you discover yourself talking to your sponsor far more

than you did when you had your own problems. And so all of this material, it's not, I haven't come

up with anything new, all of this has been going on behind the scenes in our colleagues anonymous

since it's founding. People work at how on earth are we going to deal with? There's now,

I was a very difficult character when I got to AA. And so, everything I'm going to describe in terms

of what sponsors can do is stuff I have done myself. But the question is, if you're a sponsor,

when you're presented with it, how do you deal with it? And also, with these so-called games,

I'll come to what we mean by game in a little bit. With these games, the sponsor is as much of a player

as the sponsor and I'll come to that as well what the sponsor's role and needs. So my view of

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