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Welcome back to Working Overtime. The advice forward desert to workings process heavy main course,

I'm Isaac Butler and I'm Karen Han. Karen, we've got a new listener voicemail and I found it

really quite beautiful and moving. It's from a caller named Susan who is trying to get back to

writing after about of COVID. Let's take a listen. Hi, this is Susan. I'm up in Ryan Beck,

New York and I am an incredible fan of the show. So helpful, which is why I'm asking you this

new question. When one has been ill in my case, COVID, how does one know at what point

to push oneself to sit down and start writing again? I'm feeling like I can barely put thoughts

together and I know that I couldn't write now even if I wanted to, but the question I'm asking you

is how do I re-insert discipline and commitment into my life? Do I wait until I am dancing with joy

out of a woman or is there some middle ground between I can hardly think straight and such dancing?

Thank you. You are so helpful. Before we get started responding to it, I just wanted to say Susan,

thank you so much for calling in with this question and for sharing your problem with us.

Karen, before we leap into advice, I just wanted to say that I really love that Susan is talking so

much about the joyfulness of the creative process. In this case, for her, it's writing, but

you know, we spend so much time talking to career professionals about like how do you pay your

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