I'd like to think that people are having more of these conversations. I mean, I'm having these

conversations more outside of the sanctity of like private space and close friendships. Like,

we have these conversations at work now. This is death, sex, and money.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more.

I'm Anna Sale.

Last week, we shared an episode that we released in 2020 about race and friendship.

When I think back on that episode, the image that first comes to my mind is of Antoinette, a black woman in Dallas,

who described getting a phone call at home on a weekend when her ceiling was leaking. The call came from a white colleague who was worried about a terse text exchange

between them. Here's how Antoinette described that call back then. I said, hey, my feeling's

leaking. I have maintenance people coming in and out. I'm trying to wrangle that situation, and it didn't feel like she heard me.

Ultimately, I wanted apologizing for my short response to her.

I talked to Antoinette about that again.

When we reached back out to listeners from that episode,

to hear whether anything had shifted in their friendships since.

I want to start actually, so when you think back on that conversation that we had and about

that incident, like the getting a call from a white co-worker on a weekend where she wanted

to talk about her feelings about whether you were being curt about the cancellation of a meeting.

How do you think about it now?

It's wild to me because I feel like that conversation was like at the precipice of what we would then see unfold.

And I feel like we were chewing some concepts very early on.

And it was, it was new to have those conversations.

And then after the summer of 2020, when everyone who had eyes and the willingness to watch George Boyd's murder, I think if you left that situation with a mindset that was unchanged, I don't feel like I am going to compel

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