If you think that Me Too and other reckoning's fixed the entertainment industries, you are very mistaken.

And there are reasons to have hope, but the industry very often mistakes identifying a problem for

solving it, and it hand waves and does a performance around, we feel bad about this, and then it

just carries on as usual once everyone forgets. Welcome back to working. I'm your host,

Nate Chenin. And I'm your other host, June Thomas.

June, whose voice did we hear at the top of the episode?

So that was Maureen Ryan, known to one and all as Mo.

She's a veteran TV critic and entertainment journalist,

who's now a contributing editor at Vanity Fair.

And she has a new book out called Burn It Down, Power, Complicity, and a Call for Change in Hollywood.

Amazing title and a really good book.

Yeah, I'm guessing is the book what led you to want to talk to Mo?

It is. I've known her a long time and I've been reading her for ages.

And I've been really struck how over the last few years,

she has pivoted away from criticism toward writing pieces that expose abuses of power in the TV industry.

That's the topic of this book.

And so I wanted to know the nuts and bolts of how she does this kind of reporting. And as usual, we will also have

some bonus conversation for Slate Plus members. What can they expect to hear? I asked Moe how

doing this different kind of writing had affected her career. These

are hardest stories to write and to place, and they take a lot longer to work on. On the

other hand, they also led to this great new book, so we talked about that. That sounds great. If you're

a Slate Plus member, make sure to stick around for that conversation at the end of the show.

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