This is Eat Sleep Work Repeat.

It's a podcast about workplace culture, psychology and life.

I'm Bruce Daseley.

I'm back with a work chat. I'm joined by Ellen Scott.

Hi. Hello Ellen and Matthew Cook to hello Matthew

Hi great to be back to try to make sense of the world of work and what's

happening out there and and on since the start of

2024 there's been no shortage of news and discussion and debate about work and

how work's changing. It's an interesting theme I often find are we going to feel done with this stuff?

Are we going to feel like all of this has been exhausted?

But the same stories seem to keep coming back in different forms and different incarnations.

So I think we've got plenty to talk about today.

Okay, I wonder if we could kick off actually.

Matt, you saw something fascinating, which I think has direct consequence for pretty much every discussion about work and making work better.

Do you want to jump in with that?

I know it's fascinating, slightly worrying, interesting, I don't know, all of the adjectives seem to spring to mind.

It was research from the University of Oxford, which was looking at the effectiveness,

or perhaps I should say ineffectiveness of workplace well-being interventions

kind of aimed at an individual level. So essentially a lot of the well-being

initiatives designed around things like managing a

resilience, meditation classes, yoga, things that they call kind of that

individual level so they're designed to target the individual employee.

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