Hey, what's good? This is Rich, and you're listening to Paychecks and Balances, where it's all about

navigating work and money in pursuit of freedom. And beyond the podcast, be sure to check out

the P&B blog at Paychecksandbalances.com, where we've got new articles going up every week from a range of writers.

And I also wanted to clarify on the spinoff show that I mentioned on last week's episode.

I'm actually starting a quick live show on a platform called Fireside where I and sometimes a guest

will answer a listener or audience members question or questions. So kind of think of it like

live coaching. This is very similar to what you might see on other drop-in audio platforms. This is not a

come on and promote your stuff and be on the show type of thing. This is specifically to help and serve members of the

P&B family. If you have a career or money question, you'd like to submit for consideration,

drop a note to info at Pachexandbalances.com, and the team will be on the lookout. As for today's

episode, I'm catching up with fellow Googler, certified financial planner,

writer, and the author of Work Your Money, Not Your Life, How to Balance Your Career and Personal

Finances to Get What You Want, Roger Ma.

And we first connected at work and had such a good conversation that I asked him if we

could move it over to the podcast, which he agreed to do.

Because when it comes to the intersection of which he agreed to do, because when it

comes to the intersection of work and money, Roger really gets it. And we hit on a little bit of

everything across the spectrum. And I'm excited to be releasing this episode today, given some more

news that I'm going to have in the near future, because we actually recorded this one a few weeks

back. But it is extremely relevant given something

that's happening in my life right now that I'm going to be talking about very soon.

Anyway, here's my conversation with Roger, and I hope you enjoy.

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