Work Less, Live More w/ Juliet Schor #1058
How to Money
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🗓️ 5 November 2025
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
Nearly 100 years ago, economist John Maynard Keynes predicted that we’d be working 15-hour weeks by now due to gains in productivity and technology. Tim Ferriss claims that you can pretty much do it all in a 4-hour workweek! Neither of those seem plausible but our guest today takes a much more reasonable approach and says that 4-day work weeks are not only feasible but can lighten the load, allowing us to live more life – all while being more productive! Juliet Schor is an economist and professor of sociology at Boston College and is best known for her research on work, consumption, and economic inequality. Some of the topics discussed today include:
- How cultural attitudes towards work can hinder progress
- Four-day work week can improve productivity and employee satisfaction
- Companies are beginning to recognize the benefits of shorter work weeks
- People often prioritize work over personal life due to societal pressures
- Ways to advocate and push for a more reasonable work week
- Navigating a post-growth world requires reevaluating consumption habits
- No amount of money can compensate for more work among certain workers
- And plenty more!
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| 0:00.0 | This is an IHeart podcast. |
| 0:04.1 | Welcome to How to Money. |
| 0:05.8 | I'm Joel. |
| 0:06.2 | And today I'm talking work less, live more with Juliette Shore. So most of us can agree that Americans are overworked and that we tend to overspend to compensate. |
| 0:36.2 | It's also true that most of us, we're not going to hit the Tim Ferriss goal of working |
| 0:40.0 | four hours a week. |
| 0:41.6 | Still, John Maynard Keynes, the British economist he predicted, that we'd be working 15-hour |
| 0:47.0 | weeks by now, but he was way off. |
| 0:49.8 | My guest today is here to parse the modern day work details. |
| 0:56.9 | She says that four-day work weeks can lighten the load. They can be realistic and they can allow us to live more life, which sounds nice. |
| 1:03.2 | So we're going to get into that. Juliet Shore is an economist. She's a professor of sociology at |
| 1:08.0 | Boston College. And she's best known for her research on work, |
| 1:11.3 | consumption, and economic inequality. Juliet, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast |
| 1:16.8 | today. Great to be here. First question, I ask everyone who comes on. It helps us get to know you a little |
| 1:22.5 | bit. What do you like to splurge on? I like to explore John Kraft beer. It can be quite expensive at times. |
| 1:28.7 | What is that for you, the thing where you're like? |
| 1:30.5 | People might say I'm crazy, but I'm happily going to spend money in this way, |
| 1:34.0 | even while I'm trying to be smart with my money and think about my future. |
| 1:38.0 | I'm so embarrassed. |
| 1:39.5 | Please don't discount all the other things I have to say on the pod. |
| 1:43.0 | My kids think this is so ridiculous, |
| 1:45.9 | but I like expensive hotels. Okay. So you're not staying at the Motel 6? |
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