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This is Words Matter with Norm Ornstein. We've got the votes and screwed the rest of you.

And Dr. Kavita Patel. These might be some of the smaller moments,

you know, with all the bombshells. Didn't catch people's eyes.

Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Words Matters. You can tell and I know that

I'm David Rocka, who's guest participating in this podcast because otherwise I would never

get to see or talk to Norman Kavita, who I miss and who, like all of you, I love. Of course,

Kavita Patel, Dr. Kavita Patel is a former senior official in the Obama administration

and a practicing position and world-leading expert on many things. And today she's at a secret

location in her home state of Tejas. How are you doing? I'm very happy and I can tell listeners.

I'm in San Antonio, Texas, trying to help relocate or at least find some housing for my parents

who are a little stubborn and are in a rent, a rental unit that is just consistently not

delivering on what I need for my parents. So I'm doing I'm doing the good daughter duty this week.

You are a good daughter. You know, you do everything well and that is why we we

cling to your advice on all things. And of course, we are also joined by Norm Ornstein of the American

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