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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington DC and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to a special edition of the podcast. You didn't think we were not going to have a special edition did you because clearly the indictment of the former president of the United States, the big deal, it's something we've been talking about for a long time in anticipation of the moment.

But the moment came late yesterday, we're recording this on a Friday, and it certainly warrant some perspective. And fortunately for us, we've got two of our friends who are able to provide that perspective and we'll start with Ed Luce and then a little bit.

Ed Luce and Gil of Moorshi Road and the Daily Beans and the Jack podcast will join us. But first, of course, our old friend from the financial times with whom we've been podcasting for, I don't know, eight or nine years at it's kind of.

It's one of the, I measure my life DSR podcast.

Yeah, no, that's interesting.

It's interesting.

J. Alfred proof rock measured it in coffee spoons, right? Was that the...

That sounds right. As long as we're not going to get into remembrance of things past, I'm going to keep my head above water in this conversation.

Yeah, no, of course, would go do that in the original French, but we're not doing that.

But you have written twice about this indictment.

We could go. You wrote a column saying, don't do it. They went ahead, ignored your advice.

And it died at Ed. I mean, you have written a column yesterday or today, which is called Law vs. Man Trump's courtroom drama begins in the financial times.

Want to talk about the thesis of that one?

Well, thanks, David. Always great to be on. The original thesis was, look, let's start off with an indictment that sort of fits the gravity of Trump's threat to this republic.

The tradition that he is an insurrection, he's been going and all the other crimes.

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