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The Beat with Ari Melber

Woodward breaks down "Trump Tapes" on MSNBC

The Beat with Ari Melber

Ari Melber, MS NOW

Politics, Government, News, Versant, Ms Now, Daily News, Versant Media

4.64.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 July 2023

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

In this special edition of “The Beat,” journalist Bob Woodward joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber. Woodward discusses the interviews he did with Donald Trump during his presidency. Melber also breaks down a key period of the pandemic, playing excerpts of Woodward’s tapes and other source material to offer a broader look at Trump’s handling of the crisis, which is newly relevant as Trump runs to return to the White House. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0

Tonight we bring you a special edition of the B with reporting to inform a key question

0:05.2

facing voters next year.

0:07.5

If the leading candidates for both parties face off again as they did before, who will

0:12.3

protect the nation and the public interest?

0:14.7

Both men have, of course, now served as president so their actual records can be assessed.

0:21.0

And for all the understandable focus on Trump's legal problems and controversies and rhetoric,

0:26.1

it was his substantive handling of the COVID pandemic that impacted so many lives and dragged

0:31.8

him down in the eyes of many Americans who concluded he failed that task when faced with

0:37.9

that all-important leadership test.

0:40.4

As for Trump, he said at the time he did not see the emergency as his test of a lifetime.

0:48.6

Was there a moment in all of this last two months where you said to yourself, ah, this

0:57.0

is the leadership test of a lifetime?

1:00.6

No.

1:01.6

No, and no hesitation.

1:04.8

Now that is a small part of one of Trump's newsworthy interviews with the legendary journalist

1:09.2

Bob Woodward conducted across the outbreak of the pandemic and through the 2020 campaign.

1:14.3

Woodward secured more time with President Trump than any other writer.

1:17.8

Many interviews across that search, Trump sometimes making the calls, something he apparently

1:22.7

now regrets the former president is suing Woodward, we should note, over publishing these

1:27.7

interviews that he agreed to.

1:29.4

Many legal experts say Trump would be likely to lose based on the current law.

1:33.2

Now Woodward published the interviews in his latest book, The Trump Tapes, which provides

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