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Best of the Spectator

Women With Balls: with Barbara Amiel

Best of the Spectator

The Spectator

News Commentary, News, Daily News, Society & Culture

4.4785 Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2020

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Barbara Amiel, Baroness Black, is a journalist, writer and socialite. She's been married four times - her fourth to the newspaper proprietor Conrad Black. On the podcast, she talks to Katy Balls about her difficult childhood (which she describes as 'slightly unorthodox'), establishing her journalistic career in Toronto and London, comparing bathrooms with Ghislaine Maxwell, her glamorous marriage to Black and their fall from grace when he was jailed for fraud. Her new book, Friends and Enemies: A Memoir, is and out now.

Presented by Katy Balls.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The Spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and arts reviews of unrivaled authority. Absolutely free. Go to spectator.com.uk forward slash voucher.

0:25.8

Hello and welcome to Women of Balls, where I, Katie Balls, speak to today's trailblazers.

0:31.7

My guest today was born into a Jewish family in Watford, but has since earned a reputation as a globe trotter.

0:39.2

She attended the independent North London Collegiate School in Edgeware before her mother emigrated the family

0:44.0

to Canada. There she learnt to be independent at a young age, moving out to the family home at age 14.

0:51.6

She studied philosophy in English at the University of Toronto before embarking on a career in journalism,

0:57.0

first as a presenter for CBC TV, later becoming the first female editor of the Toronto Sun,

1:04.0

before coming to the UK where she enjoyed a career as a prolific columnist for The Telegraph and the Sunday Times.

1:10.0

Her personal life has also proved a ripe subject in the press from time to time.

1:15.8

She has been married four times, three times divorced.

1:18.8

Her fourth marriage is to the former newspaper proprietor Conrad Black.

1:23.0

In the 90s and early naughties, the pair were dubbed in The Spectator as London's most glamorous power couple,

1:29.9

and Lord and Lady Black earned a reputation for their extravagant lifestyle.

1:35.2

She said her extravagance knows no bounds,

1:38.3

and the high-profile social set that attended their parties,

1:41.6

which included the likes of Michael Bloomberg, Donald Trump and

1:45.8

Tina Brown. But as she documents in her new memoir friends and enemies, this had all changed by

1:52.8

2007 when Black was jailed in America on charges of fraud and obstruction. As she documents

1:59.2

in the book, she quickly discovered who her friends were

2:01.8

and who were definitely not. Reflecting on that period, she said, losing status, money, reputation

2:08.1

and security is a shock when it happens all within a few days. The feeling of falling down

2:13.4

the elevator shaft is impossible to capture. And gradually you realize falling, falling,

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