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Women With Balls: Kezia Dugdale

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4.4785 Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2022

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Kezia Dugdale was the leader of the Scottish Labour party from 2015 to 2017, taking on the job at a tough time following a near-wipeout defeat at Westminster. She served as an MSP for the Lothian region until 2019, and now runs the John Smith Centre for Public Service at the University of Glasgow.

On the podcast, Kezia talks about her rapid rise through the ranks, the impact of the independence referendum on Scottish Labour; her own stint on 'I'm a Celebrity...'; whether she is ‘SNP curious’ and what can be done to stop young people leaving politics.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:09.0

I guess it was a victim of really poor. I was the type of kid that had really good grades and was expected to either do law or medicine

0:21.6

because that's what you did if you had the grades I had.

0:24.6

I didn't want to be a doctor so that defaulted you towards studying the law.

0:28.6

And then when I got to university to study law, I realised very quickly it wasn't for me.

0:34.6

It just didn't wash. I wasn't able to absorb all of the case law

0:38.8

and repeat it ad hominin in the way I was supposed to. But the way that Aberdeen University

0:43.6

organised its courses at the time, if I wanted to change subject, I would have had to take a year

0:48.7

out and start again. Financially, that wasn't an option. My parents were not cool with the idea

0:53.8

of a gap here or

0:54.8

waste in any time so I just had to stick with it so I did get my law degree but it wasn't a good

0:59.6

experience from Edinburgh and Glasgow who were doing everything they get as far away from

1:04.8

their homes and so they were travelling to Aberdeen and I felt like I ran now obviously that

1:10.4

wasn't true.

1:11.3

Brodie, a gingercock or spaniel and he's in here so he doesn't bark. That's the plan at least.

1:16.7

And that, there was a real distraction, but that was quite...

1:21.1

Did you find that, I suppose, what you saw was the private squirt, weren't friendly or was it

1:25.3

more you just felt like there was such...

1:26.5

Very much so. I had a delightful childhood.

1:29.1

My parents were together until I was well into my teenage years.

1:32.1

So I had a sort of semi-rural, if you can call it that upbringing in Elgin,

1:36.5

a town that Fraser Nelson will know well because he was just along the road in Forest.

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