We've got to address the suburban women problem because it's real.

Suburban women helped determine the 2020 election, but there's more to us in the headlines

would have you believe.

The suburbs aren't a homogeneity of white people in perfect houses.

Real change is happening in the suburbs, and we have things to say.

When women share their personal stories, walls come down and barriers. real change is happening in the suburbs, and we have things to say.

When women share their personal stories, walls come down and barriers are broken.

Welcome to the suburban women problem, a podcast from red, wine, and blue.

Hi, everyone. Thanks for listening. I'm Rachel Vindman.

I'm Jasmine Clark. I'm Amanda Weinstein.

And you're listening to The Suburban Women Problem. Welcome back. This week, I had the chance to talk to Jennifer Rubin about her new book, Resistance, How Women Save Democracy from Donald Trump. And later on, we'll be chatting with Janice Robinson, a suburban woman in North Carolina who decided after the 2016 election that she was going to do everything in her power to

prevent Trump from getting reelected.

I think that's something a lot of us can relate to.

So many women like Janice were activated after 2016 because we saw what was happening and we knew

we had to get involved. And here on the podcast, we were all shocked and upset when Trump won the

election. But I think the three of us actually experienced this a little differently.

Jasmine, that's, it's the main reason you ran for office, right?

Absolutely. So even after he won in 2016, I did not necessarily know that I would eventually run for

office, but it definitely spurred me into activism. And activism was a catalyst that got me into politics and actually, you know, pushed me to

put my name on a ballot. After, you know, seeing his election, seeing his campaign, the way he

campaigned, and seeing him get elected, and then immediately after being elected, the first thing he did was kind of

attack the science community. You know, it was one of those things where I just was like,

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