Hello and welcome to a new episode of Legacy. I'm Peter Frankapan. I'm Afwa-Hersh.

And this is Legacy, the show that explores the lives, events and ideas that have shaped our world

and asks whether they have the reputations they truly deserve.

This is Women and Healing Episode 3.

It's all on Witch Talk.

Did you know about Witch Talk before I mentioned it, Peter?

Do you know, I'm... I don't never like to feel that I'm getting old.

Please tell me there is something...

There is something actually called Witch Talk?

Well, it's TikTok, but it's the witch community on TikTok and not just the

witch community, but kind of witch curious TikTokers, because it's massive, millions and millions

of posts and follows. And some of these content creators who are self-styled witches have built

enormous followings. It's really interesting, and some of it

is kind of a bit out there, but a lot of it is people who are genuinely curious and trying to

reclaim quite ancient ideas and adhere more faithfully to practices that did exist in cultures,

including, I mean, in many indigenous cultures in the British Isles, Celtic and Saxon and, you know, all of these

ideas that what I find so fascinating is that they never die, they were never fully erased,

in spite of this really concerted history of persecution and attempts to stamp out these ideas,

that they still exist, so much so that they can be resurrected on TikTok.

So I want to set up a TikTok group then for the witch and famous.

Maybe we do that.

Love what you did there.

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