Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vat the host and I'm joined here on Christmas Eve with Bishop Robert Barron. Bishop Barron welcome.

Brandon, always a great joy to be with you and happy Christmas.

You too. Now we're recording this a couple of weeks before Christmas Eve. This episode's going live on Christmas Eve.

And at the time that we're recording this, you're about I think a week or two away from two really exciting interviews, which I guess will already have already been published by the time this show goes live.

But one of them is with Ben Shapiro. Tell us who he is and why you're excited to talk with him.

Ben Shapiro is a very sharp, very bright, kind of political cultural commentator. It's been around for a little while now.

Very vocal and a lot of the most controversial political issues of the time. A sharp, I'd say, conservatively minded person coming out of a fundamentally classical biblical view of things.

So someone I've watched for a long time. I've not met him. So looking forward to that.

Ben is also a pretty devout Jew. You know, you see him in many of his interviews wearing a Yamaka, but he's brought on his program.

Many Christians, Dr. Edward Faizer did a long interview with him. You're going to be on his Sunday special interview series, which is like a long form, I think, hour long interviews.

So we're very excited about that. The second one is you're going to be returning to talk with Dave Rubin.

That was a big hit. The first time you went on that show, it, I think, brought you to a whole new audience of especially young secularized internet viewers.

The twist for this one, though, is that it's going to be you, Dave Rubin, and then Rabbi David Wolpe. Rabbi Wolpe was named the most influential Rabbi in America by Newsweek magazine and one of the 50 most influential Jewish leaders in the world.

I'm excited to see what happens, although I feel like it's kind of a bad joke and waiting that an atheist, a bishop, and a Jewish Rabbi walk into a YouTube set.

Well, that's part of the fun of it, though, isn't it? I like that about Dave Rubin's show. Dave represents, you know, as you say, kind of a secular, maybe humanistic perspective.

The Rabbi, again, I'm not met him, but I'm presuming coming out of a fundamentally biblical view, but not a Christian one.

So I'm very interested in that dialogue. That's, as you know, Brandon, I especially like these sort of what we call odd extra, you know, going to the outside, going outside the boundaries of the church.

That's where my kind of missionary evangelical spirit takes me. So that's why I'm looking forward, especially to that interview.

Well, in the next episode, we'll do a recap and we'll talk more about how those two entities went.

But let's turn to the topic of today's episode. Again, this is going live on Christmas Eve.

So we thought we'd devote the whole episode to that fundamental theological topic of the incarnation.

And the last episode, we discussed the importance of clarifying our terms. So maybe we'll start with that.

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