Welcome to the political scene from the New Yorker, a weekly discussion about the big questions in American politics.

I'm Jane Mayer, and I'm joined by my colleague Susan Glasser and Evan Osnos.

Hi, Susan.

Hey there, great to be with you.

Hi, Evan.

Great to see you guys. We've spent the last few weeks on the show discussing the major themes of Trump's

first six months in office.

Today, we're going to get into some of our favorite topics on this show about money and power and how it's changed

under Trump's Washington. Our own Evan Osnows just published an incredible book about the

modern Gilded Age. It's called The Haves and Have Yachts. Its release coincided with the very

public breakup between Trump and the world's richest man, Elon Musk.

But Evan, as you write, the oligarchs are always fighting, right?

This is true. The warring oligarchs is one of the great patterns of history.

I wanted to sit down with Katie Drummond. She's the global editorial director for Wired,

because they have done some really terrific reporting on Washington in the Trump second term,

particularly around some of these important figures like Musk, like other tech tycoons,

who may not have as much of a public role, but are really having a dramatic

impact inside. What really fascinates me is the political evolution of Silicon Valley.

Because we all remember when it was kind of known as a pretty standard issue liberal

democratic stronghold. That's how we thought of the technology industry during the Obama

administration. And it's gone through this transformation, where it is now a stronghold of

really right-leaning libertarian, in some cases quite eccentric thinking about the role of government

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