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Hey John, how's it going?

Hey, Tyler. Thank you so much for having me again.

Yeah, thank you so much for being willing to come on the podcast to talk about literally the most fraught subject of our time, which is the Jeffrey Epstein files or lack thereof.

I guess I would say that everyone in the media knows that Donald Trump is

very good at controlling the news. We'll be talking about one executive order and then he'll sign another

one and we all shift to talking about that. We'll be focused on ice raids in L.A. And then Trump will

bomb Iran changing the new cycle again. But what's interesting is that when it comes

to the Jeffrey Epstein story, Trump simply has not been able to change the subject. So why is this

the scandal that won't go away? Yeah, it's pretty extraordinary how long this Epstein story has

gone on for. I mean, this is approaching a time of recording this conversation like two and a half weeks, I think, since Axi has first reported that the Department of Justice and the FBI had essentially said, there's nothing to see here. Everyone should move on. And, you know, I think this morning on the day that we're talking, you have those same Justice Department officials now saying they're going to try and talk to Gillesne Maxwell and it doesn't really seem like there's an end in sight. And yeah, I think there's a few things going on. I think that

most obviously Trump's attempts to change the subject have been incredibly clumsy and have had the

obvious effect of keeping the subject in the news, right? Obama created the Epstein files, like these crazy things that, like, yeah, they don't feel

as strategic and as effective as they usually do. It seems like he's really just grasping around

for something. Right. And suing the Wall Street Journal for defamation seems like a good way

of kind of getting figures in your base who maybe had been wavering a bit to rally back around you and say, actually, you know, we remember that the real enemy is the nasty mainstream media and Rupert Murdoch. But it will have the effect if he actually pursues that lawsuit to its, you know, conclusion, whatever that may be, of keeping that story in the in the news. It's pretty classic Streisand effect stuff,

right? This idea that, you know, sometimes in trying to make a story go away on the internet,

you just amplify attention towards it. You'd think that someone who is sort of prone to thinking

like that himself and again has trafficked in these theories to electoral benefit, he would have a

sort of more innate understanding of that.

And yet you see him sort of explicitly saying, you know, we're going to release more material.

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