And I think in many ways, you can't even understand modern science properly without to some extent understanding what came before it and sort of the ideas it was reacting against in order to fully understand how we think about scientific issues today.

ID, the future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

What can we learn about science and faith from those who lived before the rise of modern science?

Welcome to Idea the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermid. Today, I welcome software engineer

and intelligent design researcher

Winston Ewart to the podcast to discuss his new book, The Heavens, the Waters, and the Partridge,

a closer look at the interaction between Christianity and science before modern science.

Winston has a PhD in electrical and computer engineering from Baylor University.

His work focuses on computer simulations of evolution, genomic design patterns, and information theory.

A senior research scientist at the Biologic Institute and Senior Fellow of the Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence,

Winston has written a number of articles and contributed to several books.

Winston, welcome to ID the Future.

Thanks. It's good to be on.

Absolutely. Well, I'd love to have a discussion with you about your work challenging

neo-Darwinism or your exploration of design patterns and nature, but we'll reserve that for another day, because today I want to discuss a new book that you've

published through Inkwell Press called The Heavens, the Waters, and the Partridge.

In it you explore the fascinating, there it is, an underappreciated history of the interaction

between Christianity and science,

and again, before modern science.

And some people be like, what?

There was science before then?

Well, there's been a lot of discussion of that, of the relationship, you know,

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