It's important to be humble in terms of you realize just how long some of these ideas were prevalent and how obvious they seemed and they turned out to be wrong.

And so certainly there's a lesson for humility for any of us in any area of life and especially we were looking at scientific theories.

ID, the Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

The relationship between Christianity and science is much older and richer than you might think.

So what can we learn about today's scientific debates by studying that history?

Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermid.

Today, I conclude a two-part conversation with software engineer and intelligent design

researcher Winston Ewart about his new book, The Heavens, the Waters, and the Partridge,

an exploration of the interaction between Christianity and science before modern science.

Now, Winston has a PhD in electrical and computer engineering from Baylor University.

His work focuses on computer simulations of evolution, genomic design patterns, and information theory.

A senior research scientist of the Biologic Institute and senior fellow of the Bradley

Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence, Winston has written a number of articles

and contributed to several books. Winson, welcome back. Thanks for having me again. Absolutely.

Well, now, for those who may have missed the first half of our conversation,

tell us why you wrote this book in particular and what you think readers might gain from it.

Yeah, I wrote this book because I realized I didn't know or have any idea what kind of scientific debates had happened before modern science and how the church of its day had interacted with those.

I saw references to these

kind of debates in Augustine, but I'm realizing I don't even know what he's talking about. And so

I researched it and eventually collected what I had learned and put it into this book for you to

enjoy without having to go through all the work I did. Awesome. Yeah, it's always a journey as an author

to to gather all the research and put it together,

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