Coming up on the Mark Devine show.

My high school counselor when I was ready to go to college, I thought I was ready to

go to college and I went to talk to him and asked him about going to college and he said,

Daphne, you know, you're going to be better off becoming a secretary because black girls

like you don't go to college and if you get in, you may not graduate, you know, you won't

get out.

And then if you do get out, no one's going to hire you and he didn't say what I'm about

to say now.

But as I thought about it many years later, I realized what he was saying was, I did not

look like success.

I was not a white blonde hair, blue eyed person or, you know, green eyed person or whatever.

I look like somebody who should be a secretary.

Hi, this is Mark Devine and this is the Mark Devine show.

On this show I explore what it means to be fearless through the lens of the world's

most inspirational, compassionate and resilient leaders, speak to folks from all walks of life.

Motivational scientists, peace crusaders and women who have reached the highest levels

of the corporate boardroom, which I'm excited to talk today to Daphne Jones.

We're going to talk about winning when others say you won't.

Daphne has 30 years or more of experience in general management, executive roles at

IBM, J&J, general electric, but she began her career as a secretary at GE, at GE.

She served as SVP for future of work, SVP and chief information officer of product engineering.

And as a senior executive and chief information officer for global services, comprising 13 billion

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