When When I first seriously got into the Watch World about seven years ago, there were a few names that I kept hearing over and over again. They were the living legends, the guys that you had to know if you were going to get anywhere or actually learn anything.

Luckily, I got to know a lot of them pretty early on and today we've got a great show for you that includes two of them.

First up is our guest, William Messena who you might remember from his episode of Talking Watches back in

2015. You also might know him from his days at Time Zone or Antichorum or Bonhams or maybe from his spot on the jury of the Grand Prix-Dor-Losierie-Déinette.

He's been deeply entrenched in the watch community for decades and he's someone that I've long known and admired.

Whether we're talking about watches, tailoring, French poetry, or some new restaurant,

I know I'm going to come out of the conversation better for having had it.

Then we've got our own editor-in-chief, Jack Forster. He's right up there with William in terms of legend status and when we decided to have William on the show it was a no-brainer that Jack co-host.

Between the two of these guys, we've got about as much horological knowledge and firepower as anyone could ask for.

And as you'll see in this episode, I just want to get as much of it out of them as possible.

I'm your host Stephen Pulverin, and this is Hodincky Radio.

This week's episode is presented by Zenith Watches.

Stay tuned later in the show for my conversation with CEO Julian Tornare, where we talk about how Zenith is celebrating

the 50th anniversary of the El Primero. For more, visit Zenith-Watches.com. The kid who looks at me and he said, so I did this and I had seen it that I was really impressed.

And all of a sudden he looks at me and says, what have you done?

And I go, well, what have you done?

And I go, well, I have, you know,

I'm motivated on a website that banned people.

Wait, wait, wait, okay, because, because we are actually recording, let's back up a second. Yeah, so we're talking about

William joining the what is the worshipful company of clockmakers of clockmakers in the UK

Which just just a little context this is the oldest

continuously operating I guess you would say guild of in in the city of London or one of the

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