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The Good Fight

William Deresiewicz on the “Excellent Sheep” of the American Elite

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

William Deresiewicz is an American author, essayist, and critic. He taught English at Yale University from 1998 to 2008. He is the author, among other books, of Excellent Sheep: The Miseducation of the American Elite and the Way to a Meaningful Life. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and William Deresiewicz discuss how the intensely meritocratic nature of elite universities prioritizes striving over deep learning; the instrumentalization of traditional pursuits to the detriment of mastery; and how broader cultural transformations frustrate deep immersion in art, friendship, and learning. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Go to Economist.com and get your first month free. And the And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

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Hi, my name is Jeffrey Kane.

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I was a long time foreign correspondent in China where I wrote a book called The Perfect Police

1:04.7

State about the Uyghur genocide and the technological surveillance

1:08.4

dystopia that China has created. I'm now a senior fellow at the Foundation for American Innovation

1:15.1

where I work on technology and geopolitics and I recently wrote an article

1:19.0

for persuasion called the Left Tic Talk and the world's biggest police state.

1:24.0

One of the things that I've found since I returned to America is that the far left is not as

1:29.6

interested in human rights in China as they claim to be.

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I would often go on Twitter, go on social media,

1:36.2

go to activist gatherings, and ask people

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how they feel about the weaker genocide.

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The response was not what I expected. The response was that America is the original

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