Israel’s Democratic Crisis

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Ami Ayalon is the former head of the Shin Bet, Israel’s internal intelligence agency, and former commander of the Israeli navy. After his retirement from the Shin Bet, Ayalon served as a member of the Knesset and co-founded the grassroots peace initiative The People’s Voice with Palestinian philosopher Sari Nusseibeh. He is the author, with Anthony David, of Friendly Fire: How Israel Became Its Own Worst Enemy and the Hope for Its Future. On the 75th anniversary of Israel’s founding, Yascha Mounk and Ami Ayalon discuss the roots of today’s democratic crisis in the country; lessons from Ayalon’s lifelong career in Israel’s defense and intelligence communities; and why Palestinian hope is an Israeli security asset. Editor’s Note: This conversation was recorded in April, before the most recent round of violence in Israel and the Gaza Strip. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:29.2	Martin Luther King said once and it is very relevant to our situation today
0:36.0	none of us will be free until all of us will be free. So Palestinians are not
0:41.9	free and as long as we control their life,
0:45.0	daylight of millions.
0:47.0	So we will not be free as long as they will not be free.
0:51.0	And if you ask me about why we didn't discuss it until today, my answer is very, very easy. It was too difficult and the easiest way was to go out and to fight our enemies from outside.
1:05.0	And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.
1:07.0	It is more and more likely that the 2024 election will consist of a rerun of a 2020 election pitting so Biden against Donald Trump.
1:28.0	And all I want to do with my little spiel today is to remind you that it is always a very dangerous mistake
1:38.0	to assume that we know the outcome of an election.
1:44.0	In 2016, everybody thought the new political scientists,
1:48.8	the New York Times, and PR that Donald Trump does not stand a chance that Hillary Clinton's victory was basically
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