"Will We Ever Re-Open?" with Prof. Mary-Louise McLaws
Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps
Josh Szeps
4.5 • 905 Ratings
🗓️ 28 May 2021
⏱️ 76 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Gide, humans. The pandemic has not been kind to rational conversation. It has not been |
| 0:06.6 | kind to consensus building. The past, oh, what is it, 12 months, 14 months, 16 months, has been a whirlwind |
| 0:18.7 | of competing interpretations, rival scientific ideas, and ultimately a kind of |
| 0:27.6 | a war of attrition in which both sides hunker down on the battlefield, in their trenches, |
| 0:35.2 | certain that either lockdowns make no sense or lockdowns are essential |
| 0:40.9 | and we should be doing more of them, that vaccines are the solution to the pandemic or vaccines |
| 0:48.1 | are an overrated conspiracy to turn us all into obedient sheeple. |
| 0:56.0 | This has not been a great time to, I suppose, fulfill the expectation that a great |
| 1:02.0 | disaster might bring us together. |
| 1:04.8 | Do you remember at the beginning of the pandemic, there was a sense that maybe this is the |
| 1:08.2 | thing that is finally going to let us sloth off our divisiveness, |
| 1:12.6 | our superstitions, our irrationalities, our tribalisms, our parochialism, our nationalism. |
| 1:19.3 | And as we enter this great global challenge, we will come together. |
| 1:24.1 | Did we? |
| 1:26.7 | Perhaps not. |
| 1:29.1 | But perhaps the wake of the pandemic, perhaps the recovery from the pandemic, perhaps the next |
| 1:34.1 | chapter is a time when we can come together, say enough is enough. |
| 1:39.4 | We will not be cowed from having the conversations that we want to have on the terms that we want to have |
| 1:44.9 | them. We will not be cowed from believing in science and reason, and we will state things |
| 1:51.0 | clearly and plainly, and I will respect you as a person. But respecting you as a person |
| 1:56.6 | means that I won't always respect your stupid ideas. I will respect you enough to stand up to the stupid ideas. |
| 2:02.2 | I will respect you enough to have the kind of frank conversation |
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