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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Will Trump's Racism Sink the G.O.P.?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2019

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Trump's racism presents an existential challenge to Republicanism. Has he fully transformed the G.O.P. into the Party of Trump? The columnists argue about the limits of Trumpification and how it has stripped away the Republican mask of economic libertarianism in favor of grievance-based politics. Then, fellow Op-Ed columnist Farhad Manjoo joins his colleagues to debate the case for pressing the pronoun “they” into wider use. Is "they" the solution to society’s prison of gender expectations? For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.5

I'm Ross Douthett.

0:02.8

I'm David Lee and Hart.

0:04.0

And this is the argument.

0:06.2

This week, have we finally reached full trumpification of the Republican Party?

0:12.5

I think it tells you that a lot of GOP elected officials still have this sense that the

0:18.5

bigoted strain in Trumpism can just sort of go away when Trump does.

0:23.5

Then we discuss pronouns.

0:26.1

Instead of he and she, should we use the word they?

0:30.0

I think that people's attachment to the gender binary is extremely deep.

0:37.1

And finally, a recommendation.

0:39.3

And it may be a cliché, but greatness is good.

0:51.1

This week, President Trump used a racist trope to criticize four women of color in Congress.

0:56.9

Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Taleeb.

1:03.7

Trump told them to quote, go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places

1:09.2

from which they came.

1:11.0

Then the president doubled down on the sentiment.

1:14.0

As far as I'm concerned, if you hate our country, if you're not happy here, you can leave.

1:20.0

And how did much of the Republican Party respond?

1:23.0

By criticizing the four women, at least as much as Trump.

1:27.6

It's the latest sign that Republicans appear to be approaching full trumpification.

1:33.0

What Trump wants, it seems, many Republicans are happy to do.

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