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Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast.

This is Kevin Williamson.

I'm sitting in for Jamie, who is, I think, out with the flu or something like that.

Who knows what's really going on with him, but that's the official story. Our guest today is

someone who I've always enjoyed talking to about politics and policy, although we've had some

pointed disagreements about some things over the years. He is someone who has had a hand in

Republican politics and the development of tax policy,

particularly for a long, long time since a lot of us were little baby pundits and such.

This is Grover Norquist, who is the president of Americans for tax reform, probably best known

for his very successful effort to get Republicans to pledge not to ever vote for a tax

increase, as I would add parenthetically, even in those cases when it might be a good idea. That

being said, it's a good conversation. I think you for being here.

Before we get into the tax stuff, there was one question I wanted to ask you first.

It was occasioned by the headline I saw in the New Republic, which still exists,

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