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surviving the survivor the

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime and a great trio tonight, although only two have popped up on our screen that you see there, but we are awaiting Wendy Murphy. We'll just jump right into it.

So all eyes for the last couple of weeks

have been on a Stamford, Connecticut courtroom

for the trial of Michelle Traconis.

She is one of two people still facing charges in the disappearance of new

Canaan mother Jennifer Farberdulos.

This again has I think we're on day 11 tomorrow today was day 10 day 11 tomorrow. It was almost five years since Jennifer Farber

Doolows who was a writer and a mom of five vanished back on May 24th 2019.

She was going through a very bitter divorce and custody battle with her estranged husband.

Votus Doolos and Michelle Traconis was Fotis's then-live-in girlfriend.

She's accused of conspiring with Doulos to murder Jennifer Farber who died.

By the way, he committed suicide back January 20th

in his garage as he was awaiting trial.

And that is where we are at.

Now, look, she is here, Wendy Murphy.

She serves as adjunct professor of sexual violence law at New England law Boston where she also

co directs the women's and children's advocacy project under the Center for Law and

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