Alex, like, how do you feel about being cold?

I prefer to not be cold. Me too. I mean, I can obviously handle some cold, but... Yeah. Do you throw in the extra layer? I don't normally throw in the extra layer. I mean, I'd say I don't like being cold, but at the same time, I also hate carrying extra stuff. How does the Summit Series fit into this all? Does it give you the biggest buffer you can get? Yeah, Summit Series gives you the absolute best bang for the buck in terms of weight to warmth, to comfort. And it's just such an easy modular kit. It's like you just know which layers to have in which order. You don't have to think about your packing that much. Every mission I've done in the mountains with Tommy, I'm always wearing one layer more than him. It's like there's always like one extra layer somewhere in the kit where I'm like, wow, you're not wearing long jongs right now? Like really? But of course, he's a real mountain man that grew up in, you know, Estes Park. 8,000 feet. California climber through and through. The North Face has you covered with Summit Series.

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Alex, you know that climbing gold turned five earlier this year.

We've been doing this for a hot second.

That is hard to believe.

It's hard to believe that it's been five years.

It's disappeared in a blur of raising two little kids and talking to other kids. I can't help but feel like every time we do climbing old episodes, I'm just talking

to other folks who are climbing how I should be climbing.

Instead, I'm at home with my kids.

I think you're doing pretty good, dude. I try I try my best don't know yeah we've actually been working on the show even longer than five years

I think it's like if we go back it's like six and a half or something crazy like that and I have this

really clear memory of a conversation we had early on where we were figuring out what to cover in our first season.

And we were talking about climbing gyms and just like how their influence on the sport and how as they kind of move out of the industrial areas, suburbs, and then into like the city centers, that that was really going to change the talent pool for the sport.

And you shared this memory of walking into a New York City gym

and watching a young climber just absolutely bearing down on these pinches.

And you know, you said, you told me you're like jaw dropped.

And you had this point that basically it was something to the effect of

the numbers suggest that the person who alters our sport

and the next generation

isn't going to come from a climbing family where they're climbing outside all the time

or from Boulder where they have really good coaching.

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