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So we are doing a separate episode because heads are spinning on this one.

I mean, guys, there's so many articles that are just like,

pow, pow, pow, and then it's like Jesse.

And then I'm like, it's a lot. The fall of mom talk. I mean, there's so, it's just like, it went on Us Weekly and it's just headline after headline after headline, but then it's like, Jesse's in there. And then her husband's putting Jordan a restraining. I'm like, what is happening? Interesting timing though, and I probably would have done the same thing.

You know you want to slide something in so that way. You know what I mean? Because you don't want all the eyes on it. But also, everyone's watching them right now in general. So I feel like maybe interesting timing, but also like everyone's so invested in all of them that

I don't know. I don't think it worked because everybody's like, and this too? I don't know.

Well, obviously last week, hours later, after we recorded our episode, The Bachelorette

canceled the season. Yes. I'm now having, even though I know, even though I said what I said, there was even an article that came out, I'm now having, even though I, I know, even though I said what I said, there was even an

article that came out, I'm now having mixed reactions about the whole thing. Same. Same. And about

them canceling it. And I actually listened to Nick Fial's podcast. He, you know, they had, he had a

lawyer on the show. He had an editor on the show. And I was on my

walk this morning. So I was, I, I like his take on things. And so I was listening to, to his take on

it. And it is very interesting because they, I mean, she had mentioned many times that she

threw the stool and, you know, I mean, all, all the things were in that 20, 23 report. And, you know, the, and he was even saying, like, some people don't even get on the show because they have a parking ticket, you know? So, like, clearly ABC knew. Oh, yeah. They do major background checks.

And so then for them to pull, and it's like, were you just then setting her up to fail?

Because, and that's what he had based. That's what Nick had said. Like, it's like they were setting her up to fail because they knew this information.

You know? And they still went with casting her. Right. And people's lives and families and their livelihood.

Yeah. All of that. See, I see it differently. I think they obviously knew about it. And that's what I was even kind of saying last

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